exports oil. a nation of 80 million people. almost 80 million people. it's had a tremendous amount of influence in lebanon, afghanistan and iraq and in some cases, our interests are actually mutual with the united states and iran, so i think it is an important country without -- i think they've had a problem for many, many years with the west. particularly with the united states. where they believe, whether it's true or not, but they believe that the u.s. is out to get them. out to destroy the regime and overthrow the regime. even this recent delisting of the opposition group that was in iraq, they claim is another example of the u.s. only interested in changing the regime. we have many, many issues between the u.s. and iran over the 30 years, the nuclear age has gotten to the point now where we have harsh, harsh sanctions hurting the people, the economy, everyone. probably not the regime so much. >> not as tough as they should, at least from our reporting. if you were really trying to shut things down. >> well, they're not that lenient.